Temple Football Forever Returns on Saturday

Did not see a point in discussing Temple football anymore when it rolls out a JUCO-level quarterback who got beat 55-0 and 51-3 in his last two games so shut this site down for a few days while steaming over the current state of the program.

What was our theme on this site for the last nine months?

Bring in a big-time quarterback.

UL Monroe did that without spending a dime, bringing Oklahoma backup General Booty to Louisiana. What did Booty do? Go 10-for-14 with a touchdown and no INTs or fumbles in a 30-14 win.

Temple settled for not only a subpar quarterback room but the worst quarterback room among the 134 FBS teams. It’s no coincidence that after Week One, the New York Times ranked Georgia No. 1 and Temple No. 134.

What did Temple’s Forrest Brock do? Go 11-for-25 with two INTs and a fumble in a 51-3 loss.

Still, the show must go on and, while we won’t be doing a preview on the Navy game, we will be doing an analysis of the game and it will be up on this site late Saturday.

A couple of questions should be answered by then:

One, will Temple quarterback Forrest Brock be able to win a game against a G5 school?

Two, will coach Stan Drayton’s final 10 games be the start of his farewell tour at Temple?

The answers are inextricably tied to those two questions.

Stay tuned.

Saturday: Navy Game Analysis

21 thoughts on “Temple Football Forever Returns on Saturday

  1. As a Temple alum and longtime loyal university sports fan, I along with many others I’m sure, continue to be frustrated with how things have been going downhill over the last few years, particularly with the football program. Major college sports have forever changed (for the worse IMO) since the NCAA implementation of the Player Transfer Portal and the NIL. I mean three straight years of 3-9 and an embarrassing opening game 51-3 loss on national TV to start the 2024 season. Then there was the COVID thing, but of course everyone had to deal with that. So then what do we have to look forward to? More of the same? Sad situation. Are the university administrators (and particularly the new president) really interested in taking the necessary steps to return to a nationally recognized and well respected football program, like things were in 2015/16? One wonders. Surely he current situation must be having a negative impact on sports fund raising. Waiting … and hoping. Go Owls, beat Navy!

    • Two buddy hires (Kraft with Indiana buddy Carey and Johnson with Texas buddy Drayton) have turned this program into a complete and utter fiasco. There is no other way to describe it. Drayton has been here three years and not won a single road game. That’s the unfunniest joke ever.

      • True Mike, this Arthor guy AD was/is a fool. Hope to see him booted, but it’ll cost TU for sure. why he pick Drayton now in plain site a total disaster. In Private I have extremely suspicious thoughts I can not share but I believe it. Sort of parallel to the idea of pictures with the neighbor’s goat.

  2. https://athlonsports.com/college-football/group-of-5-coaches-poll-week-1-playoff-boise-state-memphis-liberty-tulane

    This marks the beginning, the point when the train officially leaves the station. The G5 will have its own championship game w/i the next 3-5 years. G5 commissioners and coaches are all in, they are fed up with the pretense.

    In the past, the cable TV dollars allowed the subsidy of all 134 FBS teams. The streaming model is here, and the subsidy is gone.

    A three tier system will emerge.

    Div I – the SEC and BIG. Both conferences may expand again and eventually leave the NCAA.

    Div II – the Power 4 schools who didnʻt make it to Div I (think Oregon and Wash St, etc.), and a few G5 schools

    Div III – G5 and the best FCS schools

    • Fairness means something in life but nothing when it comes to college football. The NFL has its shit together with the draft lifting up the lowest of the low for the betterment of the entire organization. College football is the ultimate “screw everyone else, I’m in this for me” business.

    • Given current direction of college your scenarios make a lot of sense and I don’t see TUFB landing anywhere but Tier 3. Question is what kind of budget would be needed to compete at that level and where would TUFB play in that landscape. Can’t see that how continuing to play at the Linc could be justified

      • If something like this does actually happen, I would hope to see TU football in a DIv. II situation. A Div. III landing could spell the end of the program IMO. A likely 8-10,000 home game average attendance at the Linc would not fly. An on-campus stadium is not in the picture. This has to be about the worst possible situation the program has ever faced.

      • IMHO, playing at the LINC hasn’t been justifiable for quite some time considering the costs. Not being able to do an OCS is the result of incompetence and poor planning from the higher ups. THAT’s what’s appalling! By comparison, look at the athletic programs at Nova and Penn. Even LaSalle, Drexel etc have sports teams Temple dropped long ago to feed the football program – and where did it get us? Pathetic planning.

  3. The big ‘if’…, Temple will beat Navy ‘if’ Mr. Brock and the offense can stop turning the ball over.

    The Temple OL will get beat up again. But, they can take the game into the 4th qtr ‘if’ they just hang in there and play penalty free football.

    Can the Temple D create a turnover? How long has it been?

  4. The carelessness with the football was appalling and shocking. One team (Oklahoma) has no turnovers. The other team (Temple) says “if you are going to hit me that hard, here is the ball, you can have it.” Not Temple TUFF.

  5. there’s a thin line between love and hate.., we love our alma mater but hate the predicament.

    Left Behind I – Got kicked out of the Big East, bc our leaders made a conscious decision not to upgrade facilities and compete.

    Left Behind II – Watched former peer institutions Rutgers and Maryland move to the BIG. TU Leaders made a conscious decision not to build an OCS and compete. Watched former peer institutions Louisville, Cincy, UCF, Houston, SMU ascend to P4 status.

    Left Behind III – Another landscape approaches as the streaming revenue model and NIL (now it’s legal) remodel college football. P4 will become the P2 and break from the NCAA. What’s left will split into two Tiers. Guess what Tier TUFB will be in?

    In walks Mr. Fry with zero appetite for athletic drama and a mandate to balance the budget. Gone Baby Gone.

    Remember how much fun it was when College Gameday came to town? Now we are just trying to beat a below average Navy team to win an away game for the first time in over two years…, mercy, Lord have mercy.

    • one advantage of being in the lower of the 2 tiers is that TUFB could play at the Sports Complex soccer field, or maybe reconfigure EO with seating for a few thousand 🙂 From everything I’ve read regarding Fry if this were 2015/2016 I wouldn’t be as worried about the future of TUFB or maybe if the OCS had been built. Now, to me the question is if the team does no better than 3-9 this year, which may be a stretch, how quickly does the program get shut down

      • Agree. I’ve been saying for a long time on this blog that a plan to add seats at the EO just to get the ball rolling, save all that money from renting the LINC and then add on as attendance increases would be sensible. But somehow the brain trust at Temple loves to waste money on football and then decide to drop it?! Again I say, terrible planning.

    • Agree with everything you said! No more than luke warm interest from university administrators. The new prez apparently no help. I have said it over and over – longing for the way we were in 2015/16. College Game Day, beat PSU, nearly beat ND (packed houses for both those games), conference championship, nationally recognized and respected program. But alas, look where we are now. I fear for the program.

  6. Fry will be the first Temple president to make more than the football coach since Al Golden ($500K in 2005 vs. Adamany’s $1 million then). Fry was making $2,546.000 mil per at Drexel. If the Stan $2.5 million is true, and Temple matches the Drexel salary, Fry will be making a measly $46,000 more than Stan. At that point, Fry’s gotta be thinking: “What are we paying this guy that much to give us bad publicity every Saturday afternoon?” Interesting that Daz, Rhule, Collins, Carey and Stan made much more than Theobold, Wingard and Englert.

  7. I watched Hawaii lose a heartbreaker to UCLA in front of 15K fans on UH campus in Honolulu.

    Playing at the Linc is unstainable. Put a shovel in the ground somewhere/anywhere on campus, and keeping building.

  8. While I don’t think KJ’s scenario happens tomorrow, also don’t think it’s that far off either. About the only think I could see putting TUFB in the second tier would be Fisher getting MBB at the top of the AAC and making deep tournament runs. Even with that think it’s a long shot to get above the bottom tier described above. Also not sure how feasible it would be to configure the EO to hold games there. I’m no architect but looking at the old William Penn HS sight where the new Sports Complex was built seems TU had about the same amount of space the Tulane had when they built Yulman Stadium and that site didn’t have to get any streets closed. Again, from a space perspective I don’t know if there was enough at that location but given what was built sure looks like there was

  9. Maybe TU should look into buying Columbia Field between 10th and 11th and Cecil B Moore and Montgomery. The Blackhawk Athletic Club recently put in a new field. Size wise it is close to the same dimensions as EO and looks like you could get grandstands in on 3 sides. TU could partner with the Athletic Club as part of the deal. I mean if you could get 15 to 20K seating in there give the kids athletic club even better facilities and support, maybe you could make it fly with the neighborhood and city. Anyone know anything about that location?

  10. well so far the Navy game is even worse than I thought it would be, could Brock even start for most FCS schools let alone at this level

    • 0-12 is a distinct possibility. Can Stan Dickerson Drayton make it any easier for Mr. Fry?

      What are the choices? Fire Drayton and the AD and start all over again? Or,

      Fire Drayton and the AD and drop football? MBB will play in what conference?

      Piss poor predicament. Where is the light?

      • If a decision were made to fire Drayton and the AD and start over , as part of that process a solid plan needs to be executed as well for a long term “home” for TUFB whether that be a better deal for the Linc, which Lurie has no real incentive to do or as you said in a previous post just get a shovel in the ground and build a stadium. The way this season is going will TUFB even be salvageable? I will be interested to read Mike’s game analysis although don’t know how much more can be said. BTW I see Fran Brown is 2-0 at Syracuse

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