Can we finally put this attendance thing to rest?

A crowd of 21,046 watches Kee-Ayre Griffin (above) and James Nixon (below).
Photos by Ryan Porter

If you haven’t seen it, I direct your attention to Mike Jensen’s fabulous piece in Sunday’s Philadelphia Inquirer on Temple’s wonderful long-time football fans.
I’ve said this for years and not just because he’s a colleague of mine and a good guy, Mike Jensen is the best college writer in this town and he has been for years.
He’s really really a terrific wordsmith, a craftsman whose effort is to be admired the way you’d look at a beautiful painting.

Bill Bradshaw’s answer to my question
Mike…..although in the Franklin field and Vet days, Temple(I’m told)
use to eyeball the crowd and throw out a number, we’ve come a long way
in announcing accurate #’s for attendance.
As you know, there is the
actual # at the game, sold tickets, people in suites that
sportswriters don’t see, people who stay at a tailgate(with a paid
ticket), comp tickets, and hundreds of fans, at any one time in the
hallways,concession stands and lavatories.
For a sportswriter who
comes to one game, and says the crowd is slightly less than what was
announced, I would question his “eyeball count”, since we have the
real data that supports our #, and he does not, nor did he ask us for
it.
And for him to suggest that, because Temple always embellished
attendance, as a rationale for his conclusion, is quite frustrating to
all of us. Its when you always announce the same crowd, with eyeball
evidence to the contrary, that someone should be suspicious of your #.
As you know, we’ve announced much less in attendance for other games
this year, but we did not think anyone would question yesterday’s #,
at least those who had attended other games
……hope this
helps…..BB

After reading “Temple of Boom” _ a terrific headline, by the way, played off a quote in the story about the bemoaning of ‘Temple of Doom’ headlines _ I looked at Jensen’s Mona Lisa and saw a scratch mark.
I felt as though I had eaten a terrific Applebee’s Oriental Chicken Salad and gotten indigestion afterward after staring at the scratch mark in the Mona Lisa.
This line bothered me:
The announced attendance of 21,046 seemed slightly high – maybe old habits die hard.
Geez, I thought, when will this shit ever stop?
First of all, Temple hasn’t “made up” attendance figures since the old Al Shrier days at Temple Stadium.
A writer would eyeball the crowd, and turn to look at Shrier, who was always standing with his briefcase in hand, behind the back of the press box.
“How many would you say are here, Al?” the guy would ask.
“Ten thousand,” Shrier would say.
Then that figure would appear next at the bottom of the box score.
A-10,000.


The MAC: Week 12

Central Michigan 35 @ Ball State 3 — Att: 5,736

Buffalo 42 @ Miami 17 — Att: 7,983

Bowling Green 36 @ Akron 20 — Att: 9,163

Toledo 47 @ Eastern Michigan 21 — Att: 9,967

NIU 31 @ Ohio 38 — Att: 14,756

Kent State 13 @ Temple 47 — Att: 21,046
Source: Supertaco, scout.com (thanks, ST)

The next week the same routine would happen and the same figure would appear under the boxscore.
It hasn’t been that way since the day of the scanner and they’ve had them since the stadium was opened in 2003.
My ticket is scanned, your ticket is scanned and that goes into a computer.
The figure generated by the computer, not the Temple AD or SID, is used at the bottom of the boxscore.
Nobody’s hacking into the computer.
There’s no conspiracy theory.
Bill Bradshaw isn’t running up to the press box and making his guy change the numbers.
It’s just not happening.
I asked Bradshaw how this figure was generated yesterday and his response is posted here.
I ran into a few folks in the parking lot postgame and I mentioned I thought the crowd was “about 25,000.” One guy said 27,000. Another guy said 26,000. Another guy said 23,000. My friend, Mark, said he didn’t know what the crowd was but it “wasn’t (as high as) 25,000.”
Nobody said as low as 21,046 and none of them were named Al Shrier.
To me, after 30 years of losing, eight straight games isn’t going to full the house.
That’s just not realistic to expect.
But Saturday was a HUGE step in the right direction and I was very impressed with our fans and it only bodes well for future attendance.
It takes time to lose a fan base and it will take time to rebuild one.

5 thoughts on “Can we finally put this attendance thing to rest?

  1. I was down there and I'm not very good at judging attendance by looking around the stadium but it was the first time I'd seen the student section that full. When I went to the Nova/Temple game the student sections were both about 60-70 percent full but this time there was no doubt that the lower bowl student section was full. The end zones were about a quarter of the way full and there were a lot of empty seats but people came out for the game. The line to buy tickets stretched for beyond the sidewalk and into the parking lot and I've been told that they estimate a 4,400 walk up. Can't blame the casual Philly person for not coming out but if you're a football fan and you're a Temple alum and you've paid attention to them this season you know it's worth the ten bucks and a can of soup.

  2. 21K is a fine showing in a city that is overdosing on sports (Eagles, Flyers, and Sixers all in full swing).Despite a slow start Temple has recovered well in terms of attendance (winning 9 in a row will do that)CMU 20,800WMU 20,300Akron 18,900Ohio 18,700Temple 17,400Toledo 16,300Buffalo 16,000Kent 15,600NIU 14,900BGSU 14,300Miami 11,800BSU 10,900EMU 5,000

  3. I thought that the 21K was pretty accurate. The visitors side was far less than the Villanova game, but I thought the Temple side was packed. I hope that soon the city will realize that a Temple season ticket may be the best sports bargain in town.

  4. Who cares? There's a big game on Friday.

  5. That's why I wanted to get this issue out of the way on Monday, so we can address the game Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.Like it or not, wins aren't enough for Temple's program to survive and get things like bowl and conference invites.What the fans did on Saturday was a 100 percent improvement on the prior game and "going forward" as Al Golden likes to say, it should be much better.

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