The Indiana Football Curse Strikes Again

Everett Withers could be the greatest friend and the nicest guy in the world but he has been complete garbage as a DC for FIU and now for Temple. He’s killing Stan Drayton. He needs to go like yesterday.

Many things can be true at once.

For Temple, the four truthers in a 48-26 football loss at Tulsa on Thursday night at Tulsa were:

One, defensive coordinator Everett Withers can’t stop a nosebleed. We already knew that.

Two, E.J. Warner’s sophomore slump is official. We “kinda sorta” expected that before this but it is now confirmed.

Three, Temple should avoid hiring buddies as football coaches.

Looks like Pat Kraft hired the wrong Indiana football coach.

Four, and maybe most importantly, The Indiana Football Curse struck again.

A former Indiana football person once again killed Temple.

Kevin Wilson, the Indiana head coach from 2011-2016, coached the pants off Stan Drayton. Wilson joins former Indiana player (and current Indiana quality control coach) Rod Carey as killing any Temple football hopes. Carey’s accomplice was former Temple AD Pat Kraft who could have hired anyone but chose his fellow Indiana alum. He picked the wrong Indiana guy.

The first and third killers are directly related because Withers is a buddy of Drayton and hiring buddies is a proven disaster at Temple. What was that Peter, Paul and Mary song? “When will they ever learn?”

Bill Bradshaw hired his buddy (Fran Dunphy) and that didn’t work out.

Kraft hired his buddy (Rod Carey) and that didn’t work out.

Arthur Johnson hired his buddy (Stan Drayton) and that doesn’t appear to be working out.

Stan Drayton hired his buddy (Everett Withers) and that has definitely not worked out. We saw that coming a mile away if you count St. Patrick’s Day as a mile.

Let’s sift through the resumes and hire the best person for the job and abandon this buddy system. That, unfortunately, is a hard lesson to learn and the Owls’ football program maybe has run out of time. When you have a bean-counting BOT that doesn’t even think painting the field is worth it, can the program itself be that far behind?

Our picks this week. As long as Withers is the DC, it’s money in the bank to pick against Temple.

Very little hiring oversight at Temple and that is showing through on national television.

As a result, a once-proud Temple football program is a national laughingstock. It pains me to say that but the evidence was there on Thursday night for any TV in any bar in America that was tuned into this game. (My guess it was on one TV in the far corner of every one while the NFL game was on every other TV.)

A 2-2 start to a season that started with so much promise pretty much ended on Thursday night. You can’t lose to a team that lost games by 66-17 and 43-10 no matter how good the teams that had the 66 and the 43 were.

This “Waiting for Warner” to be as good as he was last year needs to stop. Anybody who was shut out in the first three quarters by Rutgers and held to three points in the first half by a horrible Tulsa defense is just not good enough for Temple going forward. Stop babying him and worrying about him leaving. If he’s not turning the scoreboard into an adding machine, and he’s not, he needs to sit.

Quincy Patterson needs a shot from the beginning and not just in garbage time. He’s a big guy who, unlike Warner, can see over defenses and, also unlike Warner, can take off and run and do some damage should the play break down.

That’s probably the only thing to look forward to in the future. That, and discovering if Stan Drayton has the gonads to fire a friend for the overall advancement of the organization. That’s what great CEOs are able to do. Unfortunately, I very much doubt it.

For now, the reality is that the Indiana football curse struck Temple again and, ironically, Pat Kraft hired the wrong buddy.

Update on picks: Went 12-3 this weekend. Since they were all on the moneyline, going to keep those separate from my 8-4 against the spread in the previous two weeks.

Season: 20-7 overall

Spread: 8-4

Monday: Tweaking A Recruiting Model

Friday: Sense of Urgency

37 thoughts on “The Indiana Football Curse Strikes Again

  1. So correct…defense is embarrassing.
    Drayton needs to go
    Bottom 5 FBS team….2 garbage wins…it will be 2-10

  2. Unfortunately, the school doesn’t have money for 100 police officers and it will keep Drayton around for five years. Drayton’s career rests in his ability to swallow his friendship with Withers, fire the guy and assume the DC role himself for the remainder of the season just like Al Golden took over the special teams coordinator role for himself in his second season.

  3. Can’t disagree with you regarding Warner, kind of in a back and forth on the TUFB Facebook page with all the “concern” that Warner will transfer. I’m like you if he leaves he leaves, if he does I don’t see him moving into a P5 starting job. I wonder how much of this sophomore slump is simply a matter of teams having film on him and an OC that doesn’t seem to game plan to help him out. Plus to me in today’s game his lack of mobility is a negative. Aside from the performance so far this season which has been a step back from last year, really this team hasn’t looked sharp against any of their FBS opponents, is recruiting especially better use of the transfer portal. I’m getting tired of posts on other boards about giving him 4 years, to that I say BS. Carey was given 3 years and the program may never fully recover from that. My feeling if the team isn’t showing improvement in year 2, and being blown out by Tulsa is not, you have just as good a chance of having 4 years of bad recruiting. Too many people seem to think time has some kind of “magic” with the old give him time to get his players, well what if his player choices stink!!!

    • Last year they lost to Tulsa 29-16 and I considered that a huge disappointment. Losing to this team by 48-26 is an indictment of the DC. 26 is enough to win an AAC football game.

  4. Didn’t realize he has a 5 year contract 😲 in that case I agree Withers needs to go, it’s one thing to give up 40+ points to Miami, totally unacceptable to give up 40+ to Tulsa. Not getting a real confident feeling with OC either

    • Coordinators are year-to-year. If Drayton really needs a binky go get Ola Adams or someone like that. He shouldn’t be afraid to hire someone who isn’t a friend (say, Nick Rapone or Chuck Heater) who are proven great defensive coordinators.

  5. turned that stink show OFF at half time, I didn’t ant to get so annoyed that I couldn’t sleep. know what I mean ?
    I guess this is it, the beginning of the ‘swan song’, not so grand exit , for Temple Football. I can not see how it continues at this level when less that 10,000 people showing at remaining games. This will be so expensive and unsustainable for them. What a stinker of a game. To think I invested again in 2 season Tixx for this shix-show, boy I must be a dummy. Bye Mike and thanks for your efforts.

    • In the same situation renewed my 2 season tickets along with a white lot pass, didn’t bother to take advantage of my 2 free tickets for Miami. Unless a Drayton turns things around this season I just don’t see the program getting up off the canvas after his tenure, since I don’t see how TU has the $$$ to buy out another coach. At the trajectory the team is on right now I’m really going to have to consider if I want to support TUFB any longer. Being an early 80s grad I have no desire to re-live the Dickerson, Berndt, Wallace era again. Plus tired of hearing need to give Drayton 4 years, Arians did a lot more with less resources and a tougher schedule. I know that was a different time but with the portal the means are there to more quickly strengthen a rooster now, if you can recruit. I am having some doubts as to how good this staff is at recruiting

    • I will go to Homecoming but if they don’t win that game I won’t be back. I can’t stomach these 3-9 seasons anymore. Unfortunately, this kind of non-effort on national TV (Stoffel had to yell on the sidelines at his fellow OL guys to block for EJ) is going to guarantee the smallest HC crowd since the 2005 Bowling Green game.

  6. I wanted to give Drayton some time because I remember the first few years under Rhule. Also, I considered the mess Carey left behind. However, this team lacks fundamental skills which suggests poor coaching and preparation.

  7. I also went to bed at halftime. Warner needs to go. I see better QBs in Division II where my son is currently playing. I saw better QBs when I played D3. What is Drayton waiting for? It’s not happening with Warner. Further, what is Temple waiting on with Drayton? He’s not the man either. Nor is the DC. Time to clean house – top to bottom. Get an AD who will build a stadium. This AD should be able to find a diamond in the rough when it comes to coaches. Temple will always be a “stepping stone” job, but there are always good young coaches out there. We haven’t had one since Rhule. However, unless Temple can show it’s serious about it’s program, then we won’t even get good young coaching talent who want a HC position. If Temple isn’t going to get serious about the program, just drop it. What’s the point? It’s embarrassing.

    • Huge disappointment last night. That was an objectively HORRIBLE team we got dominated by. What does that make us? Put it this way: We’re playing freaking Oklahoma next year. Not Tulsa. Oklahoma beat Tulsa 66-17. Unless Lew Katz comes back from the dead and buys us a whole team of P5 players, they could score 100 on us. Meanwhile, Stan is offering guys wanted by three teams: Old Dominion, Monmouth and Bucknell. That is not getting it done on or off the field.

  8. Gotta say tho that the O-line was pretty sieve-like – EJ was under a lot of pressure most plays. Temple has done a really lousy job with hires, both HCs and assistants. You’re right, no oversight. I stopped watching after the Tulsa TD after half-time – surprised we got as many points as we did.

    • Six of them came on a long kickoff return by a backup safety who was the best running back in NYC as a senior. You think maybe we could give the backup safety a look at running back this year? He showed more moves on that kickoff return than any running back in the open field.

    • Interesting aside; I remember talking to coach Mike Umerich after the spring game the first year of the Carey Era and he said the main focus of the entire staff was improving the O line. That was 6 years ago and it still hasn’t happened.

  9. Hat tip to Shawn Pastor of OwlsDaily for this video. The one coach Stan criticizes BY NAME is the only good coach on the entire team. Heaven forbid he criticize his buddy for giving up 48 points to a lousy Tulsa team:

    • Feel the same way regarding Wisehan on this staff and was happy when he was hired. Wouldn’t surprise me if he moves on from this dumpster fire.

      • Carey’s scapegoat was to fire the one good coach on his staff with prior Temple ties. Even though he needs to fire Withers, I fear the same fate for Chris. Matt Rhule and Geoff Collins had no problems with the way Chris coached their offensive lines. Neither should Drayton.

  10. Who supports TUFB besides us? Epps dropped a bomb before passing. She used the word ‘relevant’ when discussing TUFB.

    Bingo. TUFB might arguably be the most irrelevant team in the AAC. Institutional, community, student body, alumni, and local/state government support all suck. The team, HC, both coordinators, and the AD all suck.

    Financial Impact.

    How long can the TU budget sustain elephant losses? How long can TUFB afford to pay >$4M per yr to play home games in an empty LINC? Give up the ghost and let us live happily ever after.

    • Nice to read a comment based on the current realities and not some of the lala land stuff being posted over on Facebook. At this point I’m not sure the homecomng crowd will be any larger than the Miami game. No real student turn out the first 3 games, and there are quite a few folks who don’t seem to have renewed their tickets in my section.

      • what happened in 2013 when faced with a similar financial crisis? TU dropped seven sports, although the City bailed out the crew teams. lose $40 per yr and TU is compelled to act…, TUFB just hopped on the express train to irrelevance.

        The easiest thing to do is just what the BOT is doing.., let it die so the new uni president has an easy decision to make.

        Timeline. best case: new president gets hired before the academic yr ends and make a decision during the Summer to end TUFB before the ’24 season
        worst case, during/after the ’24 season.

        Trust me, it’s coming

  11. I totally agree with this post. I do not like firing people without suggesting alternatives, of course with vetting.

    HC: UCLA Analyst Ken Niumatolo. Temple got its winningest HC Hardin as a former Navy HC. If an HC Niumatolo came to Temple with our better player rankings and better QB stable, he could do very well very quickly.

    OC: Pittsburgh Steeler Analyst Glen Thomas. He was previously at Temple as a QB Coach and then OC. During his time at Temple, we had back to back 10 win seasons.

    DC: Hire DC Heater if he is available to make sure Temple D can win versus AAC Opponents.

    • I’m at a point where I wonder if this program is beyond the point of where a “better” coach can salvage this. Reading some of his prior posts here, KJ seems to be in know with the inner workings at TU, certainly more than me, and his post mkaes too much sense unfortunately. The plug gets pulled on the life support and the program just dies in the next year or 2. Attendance is not going to get any better this year and I don’t know how many games you attend but the vibe this season in the stands is really just “meh”. Those Tuesday/Wednesday night make games in rainy weather had more electicity in the stands. We seem to be getting down to the few thousand hard core TUFB fans who are members of the Owl Club, post on the boards and buy season tickets and not much else.

  12. My biggest problem with this season is the lack of urgency from this coaching staff. They will TELL you that urgency to win is a priority but what they DO is more telling. Why leave a starting quarterback in the game at Rutgers with zero points at halftime? Got to show me some URGENCY there by pulling him. Why leave a quarterback in a game that scores only three points at halftime against the 120th-ranked team in the country? Got to pull him there. That urgency or lack of same probably extends to every other aspect of the program.

    • get ready for 2-10

    • And it seems there are a number of fans who have that same lack of urgency. How else do you explain all of the need to give Drayton 4 years, unrealistic to expect anything this year, etc

      • It’s a la-dee-da attitude of the staff that is maddening. E.J. misses a wide-open Hubbard underneath for six and instead tries to push an elephant through a needle in the end zone? No worries, EJ. We’re only down 48-26. We’ll give you another shot. EJ overthrows Anderson for a sure six and misses a wide-open Jordan Smith in the end zone against Miami? No worries, EJ, we still believe in you. Next man up if the current man can’t do the job. Every other staff in America believes this but our staff is asleep at the wheel.

  13. A great indication of program status and roster strength is game participation. Every team, except NSU, has played 9-15 more players than TU. And, Temple only played 1 more player than Norfolk.

    Challenged coaching staff, weak roster, consecutive losing record, weak fan base, ambivalent and apathy from uni leadership, acrimonious surrounding community, FCS level AD, worst financial circumstance in conference..,

    can you hear the beat? Did you see the fat lady get up, clear her throat, and grab the mic?

    • Sad to say kj, but this post makes too much sense.
      Speaking of an FCS level AD, I don’t think this team could beat a top FCS school right now!!!
      By the time the 11/25 game roll around against Memphis I think it could be played at the Temple Sports Complex (where I think the university should have tried to build the OCS) and you wouldn’t fill the grandstands there.

  14. And yet the powers-to-be are always ready to hand out 5 year 2 million dollar per year contracts and allow some of the worst, head-scratching hires to occur – repeatedly! AND while shelling out a ridiculous rental fee to Lurie while being adamant about no plans for an OCS. “leadership” sucks. Period.

  15. You deleted my post when I said with the new reality, TU cannot compete at the FBS level. NIL is non-existent at Temple, you don’t have alumni to put $ into an NIL collective to get transfers. Forget recruits, you guys talk about coaching up players, that is dead. You are living in the past, college football today is about getting players in the transfer portal that can have an immediate impact. You will say “Coach Rhule took B players and made them into A Players”–newsflash that was 7-8 years ago. Even recruiting HS kids doesn’t matter as much anymore, you get a 4 Star, he has a good year, he’s gone. Its not just Temple, they are a myriad of schools facing the same reality.
    FBS is a dead stick at Temple. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to understand the reality–enrollment at TU is declining, budget hits are impacting the educational experience, layoffs of faculty, no incoming president is going to say “I’ve got to make all these budget cuts yet I’m supporting a football program that is putting 250 people in the stands. Don’t give me the ND v Temple baloney. Ancient history. I get you played at TU, I get the history, but this is a new reality.
    I don’t want to see football dropped at TU, I’d like TU to play at FCS level, drop 22 scholarships and by the look of this team that won’t be hard to do. Find a place to play games other than the link. You keep football, maybe you actually can compete against the U of Delaware, Nova, Penn, Lehigh, Bucknell’s of the world.
    It is shame, but I fear that instead of dropping to FCS, they eliminate the program all together. That’s not good for the student athletes, but you had a president Wingard that would have been good for TU and they ran him out. This program is in big trouble.

    C E SPEED

    • They are not dropping football, period, end of story. They would not have hired the “football” director of operations at Texas if that’s what they (BOT) intended to do. They would have hired the “volleyball” or “basketball” director of operations.

      • open the aperture and look at the clues Epps left before she passed. The official university attitude towards TUFB is ‘ambivalent’. Let it die on the vine and give the new pres an easy decision.

        2-10 in front <10K fans is a fast train to irrelevance. The city bailed out UAB. Philly hates TU. The lease at the Linc is up at the end of '24 season..,

        "Back in December 2014, after a 6–6 season, university president Ray Watts announced that the football program would close down. It wasn't that there was something wrong with Blazer football, exactly. There just wasn't nearly enough right with it. The team played in decaying, cavernous Legion Field before small crowds."

      • So by hiring 1 guy the Director of Football Operations you are telling me that football is secure?  It would be great if TU could sustain FBS calibre football, generate some excitement as it is good for the University, but Temple University’s enrollment has declined 16.5% since its peak in 2017. That is an astonishing drop. Again, TU is not alone as schools are facing tough fiscal decisions. NIL, Transfer portal, mismatched conference- emptiness of the Linc at home games is unfortunately going to put a new President in a tough position and no Director of Football Operations will be able to help. Darn shame.

        C E SPEED

    • Well, we already have a FCS level AD lol…., dropping to FCS level would require an increased on campus footprint. Where would the FCS level Owls play?

      “The fiscal realities we face — both from an operating and a capital investment standpoint — are starker than ever and demand that we take decisive action for the greater good of the athletic department and UAB,” Watts said in a statement released by the university. “As we look at the evolving landscape of NCAA football, we see expenses only continuing to increase. When considering a model that best protects the financial future and prominence of the athletic department, football is simply not sustainable.”

      Sounds just like what our yet to be named incoming uni pres is going to say.

      The Community Difference. The city bailed out UAB. Philly hates TU.

      • With regards to where an FCS Owls could play could the sports complex be expanded to say a 10k? I think the stands there now is a little over 3k. I’m no architect but looking at overhead shots of the facility seems ther might be the space. I know there are a whole more issues with this especially cost

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